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On [[2 January]], [[1915]] the Board of Admiralty requested that the Engineer Branch be classified as part of the Military Branch.
Until 1902 the Engineer Officers of the [[Royal Navy]] formed part of the [[Civil Branch (Royal Navy)|Civil Branch]]. By [[Order in Council of 24 March, 1902]], Engineer Officers formed part of the '''Engineer Branch'''.{{UKOrdersinCouncilVIII|pp. 212-213}} The Engineer Officer of a ship was Engineer Branch officer in charge of the machinery and boilers of a ship.{{KR&AI1913I|p. x}}


:"Whereas by Section 3 of the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act, 1865, it is enacted, inter alia, that all pay, pensions, or other allowances in the nature thereof, payable in respect of services in Your Majesty's Naval or Marine Force to a person being or
In a memorandum dated 28 December, 1863, it was announced that Queen Victoria had sanctioned the introduction of purple velvet stripes between the distinction lace.<ref>''The Navy List, Corrected to the 20th December, 1863''. p. 388.</ref> By Memorandum No. 1 E of 14 January, 1864, it was clarified that the purple stripes were to be a quarter of an inch wide and had to be worn by 1 July.<ref>Memorandum No. 1 E dated 14 January, 1864. {{TNA|ADM 7/892.}}</ref>
having been an Officer, Seaman, or Marine therein, shall be paid in such manner, and subject to such restrictions, conditions, and
provisions, as are from time to time directed by Order in Council:


:"And whereas in Article 168 of the Regulations for the government of Your Majesty's Naval Service it is laid down that the Officers, of Your Majesty's Navy are to be divided into six branches, viz.—Military, Engineer, Medical, Accountant, Naval Instructor, and
From 1 January, 1915, the Engineer Branch was incorporated into the [[Military Branch (Royal Navy)|Military Branch]].  Engineer officers retained their existing titles and were not allowed to command and on board ship were still "subject to the authority of any Officer who
Artisan:
may be in charge of the Executive duties of the Ship."<ref>Order in Council of 7 January, 1915.</ref>


:"And whereas we are of opinion that it is desirable in the interests of Your Majesty's Naval Service that the Officers of the Engineer Branch should now be classified as part of the Military Branch, and, further, that certain alterations should be made in the rates of pay of Engineer Commanders and Engineer Lieutenant-Commanders of Your Majesty's Fleet:
[[D. K. Brown (Naval Historian)|D. K. Brown]] claimed, "Until 1903 seagoing naval engineers did not have commissions and were technically civilians in uniform."{{BrownGF|p. 19}} This is categorically untrue.


:"We beg leave humbly to recommend that Your Majesty may be graciously pleased, by Your Order in Council, to approve of the Regulations set forth in the annexed Schedule, to take effect forom the 1st day of January, 1915.
==Ranks==
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| align=center colspan=3 |Prior to 1 April, 1903.<ref>Adapted from table in ''The Navy List'', (April, 1891).  pp. 562-563.</ref>
|-
| Denomination.
| Years' Service of Seniority.
| To Rank With.
|-
| [[Engineer-in-Chief (Royal Navy)|Engineer-in-Chief]]
|
| {{RearRN}}
|-
| colspan=2 |{{ChInspectRN}}.
| {{CaptRN}} of 3 years' seniority.
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{InspectRN}}.
| Of 8 years' service.
| Captain of 3 years' seniority.
|-
| Under 8 years' service.
| Captain under 3 years' seniority.
|-
| {{FleetEngRN}}.
| Under 5 years' service.
| {{CommRN}}.
|-
| colspan=2 | {{StaffEngRN}}.
| {{LieutRN}} above 8 years' seniority.
|-
| colspan=2 |{{ChiefEngRN}}.
| With but after Lieutenant of 8 years' seniority.
|-
| {{EngRN}}.
| Of 6 years' seniority.
| Lieutenant under 8 years' seniority.
|-
| colspan=2 | {{AsstEngRN}}.
| With {{SubRN}}.
|-
| colspan=2 | [[Engineer Student (Royal Navy)|Engineer Student]].
| {{NavCadRN}}.
|}


:"The Lords Commissioners of Your Majesty's Treasury have signified their concurrence in these proposals in so far as the pay of the Officers is concerned.
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| align=center colspan=3 | Relative Rank after 1 April, 1903.<ref>''The King's Regulations and Admiralty Instructions'' (1906). pp. 59-61.</ref>
:"SCHEDULE.
|-
 
| Denomination of Rank.
:"1.—From the 1st day of January, 1915, Officers of His Majesty's Navy will be divided into five Branches, namely Military, Medical, Accountant, Naval Instructor, and Artisan.
| Years' Service or Seniority.
 
| To Rank with.
:"2.—Officers of the existing Engineer Branch, although forming part of the Military Branch, will retain their present titles.
|-
 
| [[Engineer-in-Chief of the Fleet (Royal Navy)|Engineer-in-Chief]]
:"They will not be eligible to take command of His Majesty's Ships.
|
 
| Vice-Admiral or Rear-Admiral, according to the date of Commission in each rank.
:"In all details relating to the duties of the Fleet and to the discipline and interior economy of His Majesty's Ships they will be subject to the authority of any Officer who may be in charge of the Executive duties of the Ship, or acting as Officer of the Watch, or specially detailed for the charge of any other special service or duty, of whatever seniority such Officer may be.
|-
| [[Engineer Rear-Admiral (Royal Navy)|Engineer Rear-Admiral]]
|
| Rear-Admiral, according to the date of Commission.
|-
| [[Engineer Captain (Royal Navy)|Engineer Captain]]
| Of eight years' service as such.
| Captain of three years, whose seniority will reckon from the completion of three such years in that rank, that of the Engineer Captain from the completion of eight years' service as such.
|-
| Engineer Captain
| Under eight years' service as such.
| Captain under three years' seniority.
|-
| [[Engineer Commander (Royal Navy)|Engineer Commander]]
|
| Commander; &hellip; according to date of Commission.
|-
| [[Engineer Lieutenant (Royal Navy)|Engineer Lieutenant]]
| Of eight years' seniority, duly qualified and selected.
| Lieutenant above eight years' seniority.
|-
| Engineer Lieutenant
| Under eight years' seniority, or over that seniority but not duly qualified and selected.
| Lieutenant under eight years' seniority, according to date of Commission.
|-
| [[Engineer Sub-Lieutenant (Royal Navy)|Engineer Sub-Lieutenant]]
|
| With, but after Sub-Lieutenant.
|-
| [[Engineer Cadet (Royal Navy)|Engineer Cadet]]
|
| Naval Cadet, according to date of entry.
|}


:"3.—The following revised rates of pay to take effect for Engineer Commanders and Engineer Lieutenant-Commanders as specified:—
==Footnotes==
{{reflist}}


{|
==Bibliography==
|-valign-"top"
{{refbegin}}
|  || ''Pay'' || ''per'' || ''diem.''
*{{UKOrdersinCouncilVIII}}
|-valign-"top"
*Admiralty (1906). ''The King's Regulations and Admiralty Instructions for the Government of His Majesty's Naval Service. 1906''. London: By Authority.
|  || £ || s. || d.
*{{KR&AI1913I}}
| "Engineer Commander and Engineer Lieutenant-Commander after 4 years from date of promotion to Engineer Lieutenant-Commander || 1 || 0 || 0
*{{BrownGF}}
|-valign-"top"
{{refend}}
| "Engineer Commander and Engineer Lieutenant-Commander after 6 years from date of promotion to Engineer Lieutenant-Commander || 1 || 2 || 0"
|}

Latest revision as of 18:35, 27 August 2022

Until 1902 the Engineer Officers of the Royal Navy formed part of the Civil Branch. By Order in Council of 24 March, 1902, Engineer Officers formed part of the Engineer Branch.[1] The Engineer Officer of a ship was Engineer Branch officer in charge of the machinery and boilers of a ship.[2]

In a memorandum dated 28 December, 1863, it was announced that Queen Victoria had sanctioned the introduction of purple velvet stripes between the distinction lace.[3] By Memorandum No. 1 E of 14 January, 1864, it was clarified that the purple stripes were to be a quarter of an inch wide and had to be worn by 1 July.[4]

From 1 January, 1915, the Engineer Branch was incorporated into the Military Branch. Engineer officers retained their existing titles and were not allowed to command and on board ship were still "subject to the authority of any Officer who may be in charge of the Executive duties of the Ship."[5]

D. K. Brown claimed, "Until 1903 seagoing naval engineers did not have commissions and were technically civilians in uniform."[6] This is categorically untrue.

Ranks

Prior to 1 April, 1903.[7]
Denomination. Years' Service of Seniority. To Rank With.
Engineer-in-Chief Rear-Admiral
Chief Inspector of Machinery. Captain of 3 years' seniority.
Inspector of Machinery. Of 8 years' service. Captain of 3 years' seniority.
Under 8 years' service. Captain under 3 years' seniority.
Fleet Engineer. Under 5 years' service. Commander.
Staff Engineer. Lieutenant above 8 years' seniority.
Chief Engineer. With but after Lieutenant of 8 years' seniority.
Engineer. Of 6 years' seniority. Lieutenant under 8 years' seniority.
Assistant Engineer. With Sub-Lieutenant.
Engineer Student. Naval Cadet.
Relative Rank after 1 April, 1903.[8]
Denomination of Rank. Years' Service or Seniority. To Rank with.
Engineer-in-Chief Vice-Admiral or Rear-Admiral, according to the date of Commission in each rank.
Engineer Rear-Admiral Rear-Admiral, according to the date of Commission.
Engineer Captain Of eight years' service as such. Captain of three years, whose seniority will reckon from the completion of three such years in that rank, that of the Engineer Captain from the completion of eight years' service as such.
Engineer Captain Under eight years' service as such. Captain under three years' seniority.
Engineer Commander Commander; … according to date of Commission.
Engineer Lieutenant Of eight years' seniority, duly qualified and selected. Lieutenant above eight years' seniority.
Engineer Lieutenant Under eight years' seniority, or over that seniority but not duly qualified and selected. Lieutenant under eight years' seniority, according to date of Commission.
Engineer Sub-Lieutenant With, but after Sub-Lieutenant.
Engineer Cadet Naval Cadet, according to date of entry.

Footnotes

  1. ↑ The Orders in Council for the Regulation of the Naval Service. VIII. pp. 212-213.
  2. ↑ The King's Regulations and Admiralty Instructions, 1913. Volume I. p. x.
  3. ↑ The Navy List, Corrected to the 20th December, 1863. p. 388.
  4. ↑ Memorandum No. 1 E dated 14 January, 1864. The National Archives. ADM 7/892.
  5. ↑ Order in Council of 7 January, 1915.
  6. ↑ Brown. The Grand Fleet. p. 19.
  7. ↑ Adapted from table in The Navy List, (April, 1891). pp. 562-563.
  8. ↑ The King's Regulations and Admiralty Instructions (1906). pp. 59-61.

Bibliography

  • The Orders in Council for the Regulation of the Naval Service. Vol. VIII. London: For His Majesty's Stationery Office. 1903.
  • Admiralty (1906). The King's Regulations and Admiralty Instructions for the Government of His Majesty's Naval Service. 1906. London: By Authority.
  • Admiralty (1913). The King's Regulations and Admiralty Instructions for the Government of His Majesty's Naval Service. 1913. Volume I. London: By Authority.
  • Brown, David K, RCNC (1999). The Grand Fleet: Warship Design and Development 1906 — 1922. London: Chatham Publishing. (on Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk).

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